COVID 19 GLOBAL

[Thai Spice]

4 minutes ago, fygjam said:

Of course we, the smart people, evaluated the evidence.

We accepted that the lockdowns were necessary.

And now we reap the rewards. Lockdowns being lifted. Only 9 deaths, all associated with cruise ships or coming in from overseas. Now 4 people in hospital and only 1 of them in ICU.

Eat you hearts out. If your politicians had acted sooner instead of dithering around you could also be enjoying the lifting of restrictions.

 

Very modest person....

 

[dcfc2007]

16 minutes ago, fygjam said:

Of course we, the smart people, evaluated the evidence.

We accepted that the lockdowns were necessary.

And now we reap the rewards. Lockdowns being lifted. Only 9 deaths, all associated with cruise ships or coming in from overseas. Now 4 people in hospital and only 1 of them in ICU.

Eat you hearts out. If your politicians had acted sooner instead of dithering around you could also be enjoying the lifting of restrictions.

 

You need psychiatric help. 

😂😂😂

[Ivan the terrible]

4 minutes ago, Thai Spice said:

Very modest person....

 

It pains me to agre with Fyg  but on this  occassion he is correct...locking down Australia's bordersand calling a pandemic before the WHO was the most important thing done at an early stage to limit corona infection in Oz,,by a  CONSERVATIVE Government of course

The Labor party would  likely have kept the borders open to assuage their Chinese donors 

[Ivan the terrible]

Just now, dcfc2007 said:

You need psychiatric help. 

😂😂😂

you need to look at the relative numbers in Australia versus the UK...those are the on ground facts ...if you ignore them  then who requires psychiatric analysis ??

[fygjam]

19 minutes ago, Ivan the terrible said:

It pains me to agre with Fyg  but on this  occassion he is correct...locking down Australia's bordersand calling a pandemic before the WHO was the most important thing done at an early stage to limit corona infection in Oz,,by a  CONSERVATIVE Government of course

The Labor party would  likely have kept the borders open to assuage their Chinese donors 

Now, now.

It was done with bipartisan support.

 

[Nightcrawler]

43 minutes ago, dcfc2007 said:

😂😂😂. 

Behave yourself. 

Bunch of sheep slavishly following their government without stopping to evaluate the evidence for themselves.

'intelligent people'. 

😂😂😂😂

Have you ever watched the behaviour of sheep? 

It only takes one or two in a heard to get spooked and run off. The rest will follow but will not think about their impending doom

Getting caught up on a wire fence, running onto a main road, being attacked by foxes and other prey.

So who who are safe sheep and who are the vulnerable? 

I don't consider myself a sheep or lamb. I make my decisions bases on what I think is reasonable and sensible. Self preservation is a natural. Instinct in most humans. Sheep are mainly stupid and at their happiest chewing grass 

You under estimate the millions of people who are being sensible and responsible during these uncertain times. 

 

[Ivan the terrible]

f**k,f**k

The Oxford University vaccine, tipped as a “front runner” in the race to develop a coronavirus jab, does not stop the virus in monkeys and may only be partially effective, experts have warned.

A trial of the vaccine in rhesus macaque monkeys did not stop the animals from catching the virus and has raised questions about the vaccine’s likely human efficacy and ongoing development.

The vaccine, known as ChAdOx1 nCoV-19, is now undergoing human trials in Britain. The Government has brokered a deal between Oxford University and AstraZeneca, the drug company, to produce up to 30 million doses if it proves successful having ploughed £47m into the research.

“All of the vaccinated monkeys treated with the Oxford vaccine became infected when challenged as judged by recovery of virus genomic RNA from nasal secretions,” said Dr William Haseltine, a former Harvard Medical School professor who had a pivotal role in the development of early HIV/Aids treatments.

“There was no difference in the amount of viral RNA detected from this site in the vaccinated monkeys as compared to the unvaccinated animals. Which is to say, all vaccinated animals were infected,” he wrote in an article on Forbes. 

Jonathan Ball, professor of molecular virology at the University of Nottingham, said that the vaccine data suggests that the jab may not be able to prevent the spread of the virus between infected individuals. 

“That viral loads in the noses of vaccinated and unvaccinated animals were identical is very significant. If the same happened in humans, vaccination would not stop spread,” he said. 

“I genuinely believe that this finding should warrant an urgent re-appraisal of the ongoing human trials of the ChAdOx1 vaccine.”

The trials investigated the immune response to the Oxford vaccine in rhesus macaque monkeys and were carried out at the National Institute of Health’s Rocky Mountain Laboratory in the US, with initial results published in a press release at the end of April. 

The results were said at the time to be encouraging. But publication of the full trial results last week shows the vaccine did not prevent the animals catching the virus, although there was evidence it may reduce the severity of the disease.

This is in contrast to a Chinese vaccine trial in April that did appear to stop the development of Covid-19 in monkeys. That trial, by Sinovac Biotech, a privately held Beijing-based company, used a modified version of the full Sars-Cov-2 virus in its vaccine, while the Oxford vaccine uses a common cold virus to try and provoke an immune response.  

In the Oxford monkey trial, six monkeys were infected with single doses of ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 and exposed to the coronavirus. A control group of three non-vaccinated monkeys were also infected. Both the immunised and non-immunised monkeys were then monitored for seven days for signs of developing Covid-19. 

One measure of infection is an increased breathing rate as the virus attacks the lungs - three of the vaccinated animals displayed this symptom. On autopsy, the researchers found the virus in the vaccinated monkey’s lungs.

On the up side, none of the vaccinated monkeys displayed pneumonia - which suggests that while not stopping the virus, it may be partially protective.

Dr Haseltine said this was “encouraging”, but that “experience with other vaccines tells us that is not a firm guarantee that such will be the case for humans.”

“It is crystal clear that the vaccine did not provide sterilizing immunity to the virus challenge, the gold standard for any vaccine. It may provide partial protection,” he said.

The doubts about the vaccine come after Alok Sharma, the Business Secretary, said that the speed at which Oxford was pushing ahead with development was “genuinely unprecedented” and that the first clinical trials were “progressing well”.

He also announced £84 million of additional funding to further accelerate the vaccine research at Oxford University and another UK vaccine candidate being developed by Imperial College. The following graphic shows how scientists are trying to produce a vaccine.

Separate funding was announced for a UK vaccine manufacturing capacity - the Vaccines Manufacturing and Innovation Centre - in Oxford. This will be able to manufacture a range of vaccines depending on what works.

Despite the findings, there is still “cautious optimism” about the Oxford vaccine among some experts. 

“The most important finding to me is the combination of considerable efficacy in terms of viral load and subsequent pneumonia, but no evidence of immune-enhanced disease,” said Stephen Evans, Professor of Pharmacoepidemiology, London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine. 

“It is encouraging to see these results and suggests cautious optimism for the Oxford vaccine trial being done in humans.”

Dr Penny Ward, a visiting professor in pharmaceutical medicine at King's College London, added: “Single doses of the vaccine produced high quantities of neutralizing antibody in both species. 

“It is helpful to see that monkeys vaccinated with this Sars-CoV-2 vaccine did not have any evidence of enhanced lung pathology and that, despite some evidence of upper respiratory tract infection by Sars-Cov-2 after high viral load virus challenge, monkeys given the vaccine did not have any evidence of pneumonia.”

 

[Nightcrawler]

Yet still more effective  than drinking bleach and injecting disinfectant 😃

[Evil Penevil]

Do you believe the Vietnamese government's statistics?  

Evil

 

Coronavirus: How Vietnam 'sledgehammered' virus curve

17 May, 2020 12:33pm

 

Vietnam has reopened schools, businesses, factories and tourist attractions after achieving three weeks with no new cases reported.

As Vietnam reopens its economy, critics have been stunned by the results achieved in the country.

Vietnam, which shares a large land border with China and has a population of 97 million, has recorded just over 300 cases of coronavirus, with no deaths. The enviable outcome has led some to question if the communist government is releasing accurate figures – but critics say they're inclined to believe the South East Asian nation's results.

In late January, when Vietnam recorded its first two cases of coronavirus, the Government imposed sweeping measures to control the spread of the virus. Over the period of a few weeks, the sledgehammer approach worked.

By April 22, the country was reporting promising results; with no deaths from coronavirus and the curve flattening, it announced it would ease restrictions and reopen pubs, bars, restaurants and many other businesses. This week, Dr Huong Le Thu, an analyst from the Australian Strategic Policy Institute, said overseas epidemiologists and the Australian ambassador to Hanoi had found "no reason" to question the positive data coming from Vietnam.

According to reports, the success in Vietnam is down to clear communication from the Government, which came early. The Government warnings were frank with residents about the dangers of coronavirus and the lack of broader medical and clinical resources if a large outbreak were to take hold.

"From very early on, it was understood that this is something very serious, a virus that can infect everyone," Dr Le Thu told the ABC. "Not just the person affected but everyone around them."

Also attributed to the country's success was massive, early, large scale testing. 

(LINK)

[lazarus]

23 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

Do you believe the Vietnamese government's statistics?  

Evil...

 

Yes. They locked down very early. Closed their borders early, too.
I have a friend in Saigon. Her job was made "remote" early in March & still is.
Health care is decent in Vietnam (not on the level of TH, though). Accessible to all.

Vietnamese people know how to work together. Gov't acts without "push back." One party, one rule.
Beat the pants off the US & ANZAC back in the American War, didn't they?

Edited May 18, 2020 by lazarus
Pho sure...

[KhunDon]

On 5/16/2020 at 3:34 PM, lazarus said:

Hey...I haven't had a beer with my mates in like one month...

"Wisconsin bars were packed with people almost immediately after the state's supreme court struck down the governor's stay-at-home order on Wednesday. Videos from several bars showed patrons enjoying a night out after more than a month of isolation — even though being in a crowded public place means risking exposure to the coronavirus. In one video, taken by a local TV station, a nurse is seen sitting with other people at a bar without a face mask on..."

. . .

Hospital responds after video shows one of their nurses in a crowded Wisconsin bar without a mask

When asked if she was worried, Koutsky said, "I don't think the risk presents any higher than going to a grocery store." 

story: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/wisconsin-bar-nurse-hospital-responds/

From the look of her, she’s made an awful lot of trips to the grocery store, not to mention Dairy Queen, McDonald’s etc, etc. 

[Evil Penevil]

2 hours ago, Ivan the terrible said:

On the up side, none of the vaccinated monkeys displayed pneumonia - which suggests that while not stopping the virus, it may be partially protective.

This to me is a crucial factor.  Of course it's better if the vaccine protects against transmission, but if it can stop the virus from entering the lungs and causing a pneumonia-like infection, then it has accomplished a lot.  No vaccine against corona viruses has ever been 100% effective.  If the vaccine limits the disease phase to something akin to swine flu, then life can return to what we've known in the past.  The severity of COVID-19 in some people is what is world-changing.

Evil

[lazarus]

7 minutes ago, KhunDon said:

From the look of her, she’s made an awful lot of trips to the grocery store, not to mention Dairy Queen, McDonald’s etc, etc. 

Hey, but she's a Wisconsin "10"...

https://www.twofatprofessors.com

[dcfc2007]

4 hours ago, Nightcrawler said:

Have you ever watched the behaviour of sheep? 

It only takes one or two in a heard to get spooked and run off. The rest will follow but will not think about their impending doom

Getting caught up on a wire fence, running onto a main road, being attacked by foxes and other prey.

So who are safe sheep and who are the vulnerable? 

I don't consider myself a sheep or lamb. I make my decisions based on what I think is reasonable and sensible. Self preservation is a natural instinct in most humans. Sheep are mainly stupid and at their happiest chewing grass 

You under estimate the millions of people who are being sensible and responsible during these uncertain times. 

 

Ok Karen.

[lazarus]

New Green Bay Packers cheer...

"USA USA make that virus go away..."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/national/coronavirus-us-cases-deaths/?itid=hp_hp-top-table-main_web-gfx-death-tracker%3Ahomepage%2Fstory-ans

Edited May 18, 2020 by lazarus
nachos...

[KhunDon]

21 minutes ago, lazarus said:

Hey, but she's a Wisconsin "10"...

https://www.twofatprofessors.com

Looks like the tide is waiting for her to move before it can come in. 🤔

[lazarus]

hehehe.... lol

[coxyhog]

[lazarus]

Sign of the times...

SKorean soccer team accused of putting sex dolls in seats

"...FC Seoul expressed “sincere remorse” over the controversy, but insisted in a statement that it used mannequins — not sex dolls — to mimic a home crowd during Sunday's 1-0 win over Gwangju FC at the Seoul World Cup Stadium.

Following a weeks-long delay because of the coronavirus pandemic, the K-League returned to action on May 8 without spectators, days after professional baseball began under similar conditions.."

https://www.sfgate.com/sports/article/Korean-soccer-club-apologizes-for-putting-sex-15277014.php

[lazarus]

Better than a doll...for some.

Dutch Singles Encouraged to Find Dedicated Lockdown Sex Partners

https://www.insidehook.com/daily_brief/news-opinion/dutch-singles-encouraged-to-find-dedicated-lockdown-sex-partners

"...Two months in, the sexlessness has become so dire that Dutch officials are actually encouraging singles to select a quarantine sex buddy with whom to ride it out.

From the people who brought you “skin hunger” comes its antidote: a quarantine f*ck buddy. Updated guidance from the Dutch National Institute for Public Health and the Environment (RIVM) suggests single people strike up a friends-with-benefits arrangement for the duration of the lockdown, ..."

[coxyhog]

23 minutes ago, lazarus said:

Better than a doll...for some.

Dutch Singles Encouraged to Find Dedicated Lockdown Sex Partners

https://www.insidehook.com/daily_brief/news-opinion/dutch-singles-encouraged-to-find-dedicated-lockdown-sex-partners

"...Two months in, the sexlessness has become so dire that Dutch officials are actually encouraging singles to select a quarantine sex buddy with whom to ride it out.

From the people who brought you “skin hunger” comes its antidote: a quarantine f*ck buddy. Updated guidance from the Dutch National Institute for Public Health and the Environment (RIVM) suggests single people strike up a friends-with-benefits arrangement for the duration of the lockdown, ..."

Cloggies have always been quite pragmatic....

[Kathmandu]

10 hours ago, Nightcrawler said:

 

You under estimate the millions of people who are being sensible and responsible during these uncertain times. 

 

I love this. People will decide, based on science and the data. The right have a real problem swallowing this bitter pill. 

[Jambo]

3 hours ago, Kathmandu said:

I love this. People will decide, based on science and the data. The right have a real problem swallowing this bitter pill. 

I am an inveterate cynic.

Data and science decided by so called "Experts" who having made up their mind on a definite conclusion then do the research to try to justify their pronouncements. Hence the fact the science and data on Covid19 seems to change almost daily as dictated by the whims of Politicians.

[farangme]

8 hours ago, Jambo said:

I am an inveterate cynic.

Data and science decided by so called "Experts" who having made up their mind on a definite conclusion then do the research to try to justify their pronouncements. Hence the fact the science and data on Covid19 seems to change almost daily as dictated by the whims of Politicians.

Because they are in the pockets of the Politicians. 

[fforest]

https://www.foxnews.com/food-drink/company-face-mask-wearers-eat-without-taking-off

 

Here is one for all you face mask lovers.......