Popular Post Evil Penevil Posted June 17, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 17, 2020 2 hours ago, dcfc2007 said: It should be 1k LT all year round. No way should a thai brass be earning more than many professional thais. It's not the girls to blame, weak pathetic cuck westerners. Prostitutes can earn more than highly skilled professionals all over the world. An 18-year-old female high school dropout who's a functional illiterate can earn more in New York City as an escort per hour/day/week/year than a brain surgeon with 14 to 20 years of university and medical school education. The world's oldest profession beats the world's most difficult profession in terms of money-earning potential. An attractive young woman's willingness to suck cock and spread her legs for strangers trumps the knowledge and skills of a neurosurgeon. This is not only true at the top-end of the prostitution scale. A professor of economics did a study of the very lowest street prostitutes in Chicago- drug addicts and homeless women- and found they earned five to 10 times the amount per hour than they could through a minimum wage job. In fact, they earned at least the equivalent of the average wage per hour in Chicago at the time and sometimes double that. These were run-down women, physical and mental wrecks, who gave back-alley blow jobs and f*cked in abandoned buildings. Nevertheless, they found plenty of customers willing to pay for their services. Absolute sleaze is a turn-on for a lot of men. In every country, some form of commercial sex is the most lucrative activity available for women without education or special skills. If it weren't so well paid, no woman would do it. Along with the money comes high risks to their bodies and psyches. Women involved in prostitution run a greater risk of homicide or non-fatal injuries than any other money-making activity, legal or illegal. The psychological trauma prostitutes suffer is also considerable. They deserve every baht they get. Evil 5 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcfc2007 Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 17 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said: Prostitutes can earn more than highly skilled professionals all over the world. An 18-year-old female high school dropout who's a functional illiterate can earn more in New York City as an escort per hour/day/week/year than a brain surgeon with 14 to 20 years of university and medical school education. The world's oldest profession beats the world's most difficult profession in terms of money-earning potential. An attractive young woman's willingness to suck cock and spread her legs for strangers trumps the knowledge and skills of a neurosurgeon. This is not only true at the top-end of the prostitution scale. A professor of economics did a study of the very lowest street prostitutes in Chicago- drug addicts and homeless women- and found they earned five to 10 times the amount per hour than they could through a minimum wage job. In fact, they earned at least the equivalent of the average wage per hour in Chicago at the time and sometimes double that. These were run-down women, physical and mental wrecks, who gave back-alley blow jobs and f*cked in abandoned buildings. Nevertheless, they found plenty of customers willing to pay for their services. Absolute sleaze is a turn-on for a lot of men. In every country, some form of commercial sex is the most lucrative activity available for women without education or special skills. If it weren't so well paid, no woman would do it. Along with the money comes high risks to their bodies and psyches. Women involved in prostitution run a greater risk of homicide or non-fatal injuries than any other money-making activity, legal or illegal. The psychological trauma prostitutes suffer is also considerable. They deserve every baht they get. Evil Lol. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Evil Penevil Posted June 17, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 17, 2020 5 hours ago, Washedup said: Beggars can't be choosers, 500 ST take it or leave it They aren't beggars. They are young women who have fallen on harder times than usual because of the corona virus. You don't kick someone who's down; you help them back up, unless it's your intention to keep them down, like in a street fight. I don't feel any hostility or antagonism towards TGs and sexual service providers, but I have a feeling you do. Your goal is to keep them down, although I doubt you'll find many takers at 500 baht, even post-corona. I don't know when it will be possible for me to return to Pattaya, but when I do, I'll continue to give the girls what I did before the pandemic. Maybe I'll give them a bit more in the sincerest hope I drive up prices and ruin the scene for some punters. That's not how a free market works, but I also know it's the Gaborettes' worst nightmare and I'm happy to play into it. 3 hours ago, Bazle said: I think that attitude sucks. It's as bad as profiteering. There's a lot more I could write, but this isn't the appropriate thread. And in the case of BMs like Washedup, I'm also mindful of the quote from Robert Heinlein, sometimes incorrectly attributed to Mark Twain: "Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.” Evil 1 6 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Butch Posted June 17, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 17, 2020 9 hours ago, Washedup said: Beggars can't be choosers, 500 ST take it or leave it They'll leave it. To be honest, at 500 baht ST you're the beggar, not them. I'm with Evil / Baz on this one, exploiting someone who is already facing hardship is the cowards way out. It is wrong whichever way you look at it, and is the precise reason the Thais hold so many Singha vest , dirty short , Leo drinking and sandal wearing farang in so much disdain. Ultimately if a person needs to short shrift working girls because they didn't manage to work out the fact their pension cannot meet the expected cost of living, then go live somewhere cheaper or go home. Exploiting people in hardship is f**king bang out of order. It's one thing to negotiate with a GGG asking 5k to a more realistic price for the services you might or might not get in return, but another to effectively tell a girl her body and time is worth next to nothing. 500 baht ST is derisory, and you should be ashamed of yourself for thinking it was nothing else other than that. FWIW, I've already been warned by the Mods, if this gets me another warning point then big deal. Sue me. 3 1 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yesitisdakid Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 24 minutes ago, Butch said: Exploiting people in hardship is f**king bang out of order. well said I have 2 girls I have seen during this virus lockdown and they quoted me much cheaper prices. I paid them what i have always paid them could not sleep at night if i took advantage of them in the time they need it the most. They showed me how grateful they were. 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Spice Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 46 minutes ago, Butch said: They'll leave it. To be honest, at 500 baht ST you're the beggar, not them. I'm with Evil / Baz on this one, exploiting someone who is already facing hardship is the cowards way out. It is wrong whichever way you look at it, and is the precise reason the Thais hold so many Singha vest , dirty short , Leo drinking and sandal wearing farang in so much disdain. Ultimately if a person needs to short shrift working girls because they didn't manage to work out the fact their pension cannot meet the expected cost of living, then go live somewhere cheaper or go home. Exploiting people in hardship is f**king bang out of order. It's one thing to negotiate with a GGG asking 5k to a more realistic price for the services you might or might not get in return, but another to effectively tell a girl her body and time is worth next to nothing. 500 baht ST is derisory, and you should be ashamed of yourself for thinking it was nothing else other than that. FWIW, I've already been warned by the Mods, if this gets me another warning point then big deal. Sue me. It's not exploiting.... It's the law of offer and demand. Simple and plain. When the wheel of fortune will turn, do you think they will give discount to people who lost their jobs or had their income halfed ? Some bloody deluded minds here. Mmmmm, wonder.if this will pass the "thai lovers" sensor brigade ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Penevil Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 Today marks three months that Pattaya’s world famous nightlife has been shut, as owners ask-how much longer? By Adam Judd - Thursday, 18 June 2020, 7:44 Pattaya- Today, June 18, 2020, marks three months in a row that Pattaya’s world famous nightlife and entertainment industry has been shut by the Thai Government due to Covid-19 concerns. The industry was originally told to close for “two weeks” on March 18, 2020. However, as the Covid-19 situation escalated and uncertainty grew worldwide the closure was extended, with ever changing dates and messages on when exactly the government would allow business to begin again. Chonburi ended up having a total of 87 cases of Covid-19, nearly all imported from other provinces or overseas visitors. Of those cases 41 were in Banglamung/Pattaya, the majority returning from a cluster at a boxing stadium in Bangkok. There were two deaths, both foreign cases that were also imported. It is important to note that Pattaya, despite the notorious nightlife industry, never had a confirmed significant local outbreak. As of this morning, Chonburi has gone 55 days without a single confirmed case of the virus….and Pattaya is ten days ahead at 65 days. However, the Thai Government has continued to state that at this time it is too risky to open nightlife, bars and entertainment, despite the country as a whole over three weeks without a locally spread case. The Center for Covid-19 Situation Administration, or CCSA, has allowed nearly every business type to resume business-except the nightlife and entertainment industry. Notably, despite early signs that they would allow owners to reopen their livelihoods and get tens of thousands of people back to work this week in the so called Phase Four of a four phase program to reopen and unlock the country, nightlife was left out…and there has been no promise at this point of a Phase Five from the CCSA. The Mayor and Governor of Chonburi, keenly aware of the unique situation Pattaya is in with an estimated eighty percent of the city's businesses dedicated to nightlife and hospitality, have pleaded for patience from local business owners and stated they are working with the CCSA to ask for bars to be allowed to open. Pattaya, unlike most of the country, still resembles a ghost town in many areas due to the amount of entertainment venues versus other types of business. Food lines still stretch into the thousands across the city daily from those still unemployed. This week, The CCSA allowed the half measure of drinking alcohol in restaurants but that only led to the confusion as the large amount of hybrid establishments that sell both food and alcohol were given mixed messages and police were instructed from a National level to raid and even close many local businesses already struggling. The Thai National Government has also asked for patience from business owners in the entertainment industry but for many, with three months without an income and landlords and other debtors requiring payment, their patience is running out. The CCSA has stated their current goal is to reach 28 days as a country without a single confirmed locally spread case of the virus. If that takes place it would be next Monday, the 22 of June. They have not, however, answered repeated questions from the press if that means nightlife can resume on this date. Doctors with the Department of Disease Control that advise the CCSA have given varied statements, with many pushing to reopen entertainment after all schools reopen across the country. Those dates vary, with some opening this week, some next week and some on July First. The CCSA has stated they are keeping all bars closed as they are concerned with making social distancing work (which hasn’t in other countries that have re-opened nightlife) and afraid of massive crowds flocking to the establishments when open. Their fears appeared to be confirmed this week as pictures went viral from across the country, including Pattaya, of hundreds of people filling markets and restaurants to drink alcohol. Meanwhile, many small bar owners in Pattaya continue to ask why their small establishments, many unable to fit more then a handful of people, remain closed and lumped into the same group as massive Nightclubs that can fit over a thousand people. They argue that if their smaller venues were allowed to open it would spread out the large crowds that appeared at markets and restaurants to drink. It’s important to note that the industry goes far beyond foreign facing bars in Pattaya however, as the much bigger Thai bar and nightlife industry for Thai Nationals is also demanding to re-open, especially as there is a push for domestic tourism. The powerful Thai Alcohol Beverage, with at least one Thai billionaire part of the group, has also been pushing the government to reopen nightlife as has the Tourism Authority of Thailand, stating nightlife is critical to getting domestic tourism at full potential. For now, the neon lights of Pattaya remain quiet and owners can only wait to be allowed to reopen. (LINK) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yesitisdakid Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 Pretty sure between the 22nd of this month and the 15th of next month we will see everything being allowed to reopen Real question is just how many places will ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 11 hours ago, Horizondave said: When it is safe for my family to go to a country that offers me ease of access, good transport systems, welcoming hotels with family facilities then that could see me get on a plane, just think Thailand won't be offering me that together with peace and safety for a while yet. If you are looking for a good family destination I would have thought there are many better, cheaper, nearer alternatives available Covid19 or not. Most forum members came for the pussy although some apparently try not to admit that fact. I know I did and enjoyed every minute. 🤣 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fforest Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, Butch said: They'll leave it. To be honest, at 500 baht ST you're the beggar, not them. I'm with Evil / Baz on this one, exploiting someone who is already facing hardship is the cowards way out. It is wrong whichever way you look at it, and is the precise reason the Thais hold so many Singha vest , dirty short , Leo drinking and sandal wearing farang in so much disdain. Ultimately if a person needs to short shrift working girls because they didn't manage to work out the fact their pension cannot meet the expected cost of living, then go live somewhere cheaper or go home. Exploiting people in hardship is f**king bang out of order. It's one thing to negotiate with a GGG asking 5k to a more realistic price for the services you might or might not get in return, but another to effectively tell a girl her body and time is worth next to nothing. 500 baht ST is derisory, and you should be ashamed of yourself for thinking it was nothing else other than that. FWIW, I've already been warned by the Mods, if this gets me another warning point then big deal. Sue me. Well not so long ago 500 ST 1000 LT was a fairly common rate for many girls except GoGo girls..... I am not exactly sure when rates started raising but I would guess around 2013 or 2014 or so....... Hell Soi 6 was 700 baht ST for ages until they raised it to 1,000 about 4 years ago And plenty of the B team beer bar girls were still going for 1,000 LT even like a year ago and just about all were going for 1,500 LT.... So really 500 ST and 1000 LT is not some crazy low number like 100 baht ST and 200 baht LT.........Its only just at the bottom end of recent rates.... I was not paying 2000 LT before Covid and I am sure not going to start now.... Also beer bars routinely pay beer bar girls between 3,000 to 5,000 for a whole month of working in a beer bar...So I guess the beer bars can be accused of being cheap charlies too for expecting to girls to work for almost nothing...... Edited June 18, 2020 by fforest 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Penevil Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, fforest said: So really 500 ST and 1000 LT is not some crazy low number like 100 baht ST and 200 baht LT.........Its only just at the bottom end of recent rates.... I was not paying 2000 LT before Covid and I am sure not going to start now.... I don't disagree with almost everything you wrote in quoted post. There has always been a broad range of prices for sexual services in Pattaya and 500 baht ST and 1,000 baht LT was indeed accepted pre-corona by a lot of girls and still is. What you're basically saying is that you will continue to pay the girls what you did before the corona pandemic and there's nothing wrong with that. I'm sure the girls who accepted your offers pre-corona will be happy to get the same rates during the pandemic and post-corona. The girls who find your offer too low will simply say "No." Nothing has really changed. "The same procedure as every year, James!" But that's a far cry from the "beggars can't be choosers" and "It should be 1k LT all year round." I and others have voiced disdain for the attitude that screams, "Oh goody! The girls face a shortage of customers and they will be FORCED to accept lower fees than they usually get." It's the notion that girls who were accustomed to a certain fee will have no choice but to accept a lower fee that is not only objectionable, it's just plain wrong. There's no way in the nine levels of hell the top go go girls who commanded premium fees pre-corona will accept 500 baht ST and 1,000 baht LT. That's just a Cheap-Charlie pipe dream. 2 hours ago, fforest said: Also beer bars routinely pay beer bar girls between 3,000 to 5,000 for a whole month of working in a beer bar...So I guess the beer bars can be accused of being cheap charlies too for expecting to girls to work for almost nothing...... Here's where I would disagree to some extent. I doubt there are many beer bars which still in 2020 paid girls 3,000 to 5,000 baht a month. A salary that low would almost always include a room above the bar and maybe a meal or two a day. The girl's compensation from the bar would therefore be higher than 3,000 to 5,000 baht and that's before her commission on lady drinks and bar fines. Of course, most of her income would come from providing sexual services. That level of compensation would be appropriate for some ladies in Pattaya. But it's a stretch of imagination to think many women would work for a straight salary of only 3,000 to 5,000 baht. They could earn more working as a shop clerk or service staff in a restaurant and much more in a factory. Evil Edited June 18, 2020 by Evil Penevil 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Penevil Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 10 hours ago, dcfc2007 said: Lol. You've proved the validity of the Heinlein quote. Evil 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Washedup Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 Grow a pair and put the violins away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 4 hours ago, fforest said: Well not so long ago 500 ST 1000 LT was a fairly common rate for many girls except GoGo girls..... I am not exactly sure when rates started raising but I would guess around 2013 or 2014 or so....... And all this time I thought the girls loved me because I was such a "Hansum Man" and not the fact I gave everyone of them 1,500 baht for LT from my first trip ito Pattaya in 2002. 🤣 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krapow Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 Nothing like a 'discussion' on how much to pay bargirls to entice everyone to start posting again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Penevil Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 42 minutes ago, Washedup said: Grow a pair and put the violins away I was trying to teach you to sing, not play the violin, but I only succeeded in annoying you. Heinlein sure was right. However, I am curious. Are you intellectually unable to frame a better answer or is it because you were better known elsewhere under a different handle? Evil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Penevil Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 1 minute ago, Krapow said: Nothing like a 'discussion' on how much to pay bargirls to entice everyone to start posting again And I get to use my two favorite gifs. Like the wheels on the bus, the discussion will only . It's been done so many times it's not only but thrashing a dinosaur fossil . Evil 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyajn Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 There is nothing wrong with "market forces" and the law of supply and demand but every one of us will have a level at which we decide the rate has gone lower than is "fair" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horizondave Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 6 hours ago, Jambo said: If you are looking for a good family destination I would have thought there are many better, cheaper, nearer alternatives available Covid19 or not. Most forum members came for the pussy although some apparently try not to admit that fact. I know I did and enjoyed every minute. 🤣 I think you may have misread my post, the inference in my post is that Thailand is at the bottom of the pile for my next family trip even if I was allowed to travel out of the UK. There are many destinations abroad that would see my feet walking through immigration well before those same feet hit Thailand so I agree there are better, cheaper alternatives.. I also agree that most members came for the pussy, my first trip and many subsequent trips were for that very reason so I am not sure if the post about 'although some apparently try not to admit that fact' was aimed at me or if I got that bit wrong. Fact is since many years back my trips in Thailand (I lived there with my wife and child) have involved mainly family trips and even though I have had single trips to Pattaya those trips have seen me hit the bed alone, I am more interested in going to bed with a cup of tea and some Oreo biscuits, a fact which I believe I may have mentioned within this forum some time back. I am not much different from the next man, I came to Thailand for the very reason most of us did although I will say I prefer Philippines for R and R. Most of us change and since the birth of my daughter I have not indulged although I am still happy to buy ladies drinks and enjoy the company of women, I just don't import to my hotel. It is because of that reason that it is an easy choice for me to go somewhere else and when I can get the chance to stay overnight outside of my house it is likely to be in the UK at the seaside with my family first, Europe does beckon also but in time, Thailand will no doubt see my patronage, not just yet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcfc2007 Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 21 minutes ago, Horizondave said: I think you may have misread my post, the inference in my post is that Thailand is at the bottom of the pile for my next family trip even if I was allowed to travel out of the UK. There are many destinations abroad that would see my feet walking through immigration well before those same feet hit Thailand so I agree there are better, cheaper alternatives.. I also agree that most members came for the pussy, my first trip and many subsequent trips were for that very reason so I am not sure if the post about 'although some apparently try not to admit that fact' was aimed at me or if I got that bit wrong. Fact is since many years back my trips in Thailand (I lived there with my wife and child) have involved mainly family trips and even though I have had single trips to Pattaya those trips have seen me hit the bed alone, I am more interested in going to bed with a cup of tea and some Oreo biscuits, a fact which I believe I may have mentioned within this forum some time back. I am not much different from the next man, I came to Thailand for the very reason most of us did although I will say I prefer Philippines for R and R. Most of us change and since the birth of my daughter I have not indulged although I am still happy to buy ladies drinks and enjoy the company of women, I just don't import to my hotel. It is because of that reason that it is an easy choice for me to go somewhere else and when I can get the chance to stay overnight outside of my house it is likely to be in the UK at the seaside with my family first, Europe does beckon also but in time, Thailand will no doubt see my patronage, not just yet. Plenty of great places in Thailand for a family vacation, but not cheap. Obviously its great to get the wee ones home to see their grandparents, cousins etc. If it weren't for that I'd be looking somewhere closer to home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommy dee Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 Not deleting posts here if I can help it, but can we get back onto the OP subject. which most are already. the price of a shag is hardly to the subject. thx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horizondave Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 1 minute ago, dcfc2007 said: Plenty of great places in Thailand for a family vacation, but not cheap. Obviously its great to get the wee ones home to see their grandparents, cousins etc. If it weren't for that I'd be looking somewhere closer to home. Yes a possibility that Porn and Kataleya will travel to see her family well before I do but even Porn has no desire to travel home presently. We all need a holiday and that will be fulfilled within a few hundred miles of our house as soon as we can stay overnight in a hotel or cottage. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horizondave Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 4 minutes ago, tommy dee said: Not deleting posts here if I can help it, but can we get back onto the OP subject. which most are already. the price of a shag is hardly to the subject. thx If I can get back mate it would be for Le Pub, the Rockhouse and the Holiday Inn Hua Hin rooftop bar if they are open, maybe next year. Tried to get back on track, sorry..... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcfc2007 Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 Is tree town open tonight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightcrawler Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 I heard from a friend of mine who organises darts team matches yesterday. At one bar (no names mentioned) they put out a big plate of sandwiches and serving alcohol. It was not long before the Police turned up and shut it down I suspect a few bars will be trying to get around the rules by introducing food. But as far as I know they are not being fined Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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