COVID 19 GLOBAL

[fygjam]

A website has appeared for anti-vaxxers looking for love

There are now online dating options for the anti-vaxxer in your life.

Well, in very 2021 fashion one dating website is attempting to make things easier for
anti-vaxxers looking for love. The site, called Pure Match, but is not to be confused with
the Christian dating site of the same name. On its landing page, it makes its intentions
quite clear.

“Pure. We’re coming soon. Pre-register for Australia’s first unvaxxed matching site,” it
said.

It then takes you to a registration form where you can fill in your likes and dislikes – you
can even tick a box that says you’re interested in conspiracy theories and the new world
order.

https://www.purematch.com.au/

 

[roobob]

14 hours ago, Butch said:

It appears my post has gone right over your head, no surprise there.

Walking in parks has never been restricted in the UK, people were allowed to exercise, and you are referring to when the law was arguably misinterpreted and 2 ladies were fined for breaching the law which was about socialisation, a fine which was later overturned and no further action.

It was you who said, and I quote again: "We have the ability to live our lives how we want even though the politicians, bureaucrats and govts want to put restrictions on us."

I then illustrated to you that "living our lives how we want" would be anarchy, because following laws are part of living in a society.

People who kept trying to return to their own country after being refused to do so are anarchists for doing so??

Secondly, no UK citizen has been refused entry to the UK at any time during the pandemic. Same I understand applies to Australia. If, however, your home is in the UK and you're not a citizen, then by definition it's not your home country.

Also, kindly point out the connection between a person travelling and being an anarchist. I said no such thing, and clarified this in my first point.

I would not be surprised if you come out with a statement saying that Democracy is just another word for anarchy.

The above statement very clearly illustrates how obsessed you have become over this. It's a pathetic and daft thing to say and shows the level you are operating at.

I suppose that the following people who dared to challenge the need for mandated vaccines are nothing more than anarchists in your eyes. How dare these people do not just sit back and take the daily shafting like you as you continually live your life in the ..yes sir...no sir mode.

Again, feel free to point out where I said people refusing the vaccine are anarchists. I stated that if people lived their lives as they wanted to (which you said)  in many cases would be in a society without laws, the burden of taxes etc, it would be anarchy.  Given that generalising everyone refusing the vaccine as anarchists such a way is stupid and wrong, something that you are so very keen and eager to accuse me of, which says an awful lot about you.

I'm being shafted? so by being able to go to the pub, go to work, have a holiday and enjoy the freedoms of my society is being "shafted" is it?. The "yes sir no sir" mode is called following the laws of the Country in which I choose to live and work in.

Do you not do the same in Thailand, or do you just do what you want all the time and ignore the laws of the land? - if you do abide by the law, then stop being a hypocrite.

 

Dear oh dearie me...... fair dinkum mate.... get out and smell the roses....... what a ramble on that is.

cheers

 

[KhunDon]

11 hours ago, fygjam said:

A website has appeared for anti-vaxxers looking for love

There are now online dating options for the anti-vaxxer in your life.

Well, in very 2021 fashion one dating website is attempting to make things easier for
anti-vaxxers looking for love. The site, called Pure Match, but is not to be confused with
the Christian dating site of the same name. On its landing page, it makes its intentions
quite clear.

“Pure. We’re coming soon. Pre-register for Australia’s first unvaxxed matching site,” it
said.

It then takes you to a registration form where you can fill in your likes and dislikes – you
can even tick a box that says you’re interested in conspiracy theories and the new world
order.

https://www.purematch.com.au/

 

There will only be sheep (rams🐏 and ewes🐑) on that site. Plus a few 🐖. So anti vaxers of certain sexual persuasions should feel right at home.

🤣

[Krapow]

I've a mate working in oil in Nigeria, he rang me in a panic yesterday evening to confirm.

I did, and he headed out to get a  rapid PCR test, get on a flight to get back to the UK by 4am.

Haven't heard anything today, so assuming no news is good news ...

[Butch]

20 hours ago, roobob said:

Dear oh dearie me...... fair dinkum mate.... get out and smell the roses....... what a ramble on that is.

cheers

 

Yep, great reply. Your silence is deafening. LOL.

Care to share an example of a UK citizen being refused entry to the UK due to covid then, or did you make that up?.

Do you not follow the law in Thailand, or do you just do what you want all the time and ignore the laws of the land?.

Fairly easy questions I think.

Edited December 5, 2021 by Butch

[roobob]

3 hours ago, Butch said:

Yep, great reply. Your silence is deafening. LOL.

Care to share an example of a UK citizen being refused entry to the UK due to covid then, or did you make that up?.

Do you not follow the law in Thailand, or do you just do what you want all the time and ignore the laws of the land?.

Fairly easy questions I think.

Just to let you know...the UK is not the only country in the world. Citizens were being refused entry to return to their home countries... it has been discussed on the topic previously. 

Yes I do what I like.... I ride around my local area without a helmet like all the locals.....gee even got a speeding ticket while driving during interprovincial travel last week...... so according to you.... here am I spreading anarchy around the country...lol.

By the way....... here is a what you said in a previous post you made .......

"No, you have to follow the law, what you propose is anarchy, living your lives "how you want". 

So I take it that in your life time you have never broken a law...none...zip..... all your life to date you have lived your life as a Peter Perfect. If you indeed have broken one law.....then according to you.... you are what you have accused  others as being..... nothing but a hypocrite.

cheers

Edited December 6, 2021 by roobob

[fygjam]

49 minutes ago, roobob said:

Just to let you know...the UK is not the only country in the world. Citizens were being refused entry to return to their home countries... it has been discussed on the topic previously. 

Yes I do what I like.... I ride around my local area without a helmet like all the locals.....gee even got a speeding ticket while driving during interprovincial travel last week...... so according to you.... here am I spreading anarchy around the country...lol.

By the way....... here is a what you said in a previous post you made .......

"No, you have to follow the law, what you propose is anarchy, living your lives "how you want". 

So I take it that in your life time you have never broken a law...none...zip..... all your life to date you have lived your life as a Peter Perfect. If you indeed have broken one law.....then according to you.... you are what you have accused  others as being..... nothing but a hypocrite.

cheers

Well done @Butchwe got an answer.

On 11/2/2021 at 9:12 PM, fygjam said:

Now before I ask the question again let me remind you how in 2017 on another forum you strenuously defended Thai authorities for arresting and detaining (until she could raise bail) a Russian tourist for feeding fish at a Phuket beach. Your justification was she had broken the rules and must face the consequences (no mention of dictatorship then).

So should you obey a law (rule, edict, decree, injunction, command, order, ordinance etc)

1. at all times.
2. only if you agree with the law otherwise it is ok to ignore it.
3. I decline to answer as any answer will reveal the depth of my hypocrisy.

So I guess obtaining a "vaccination certificate" by any means other than actually getting vaccinated is ok by the roob..

 

[roobob]

On 11/2/2021 at 8:12 PM, fygjam said:

Now before I ask the question again let me remind you how in 2017 on another forum you strenuously defended Thai authorities for arresting and detaining (until she could raise bail) a Russian tourist for feeding fish at a Phuket beach. Your justification was she had broken the rules and must face the consequences (no mention of dictatorship then).

 

@fygjam   Did I???  In 2017... I do not remember..... you must be the only one. ...... but I do not believe you.

Prove it.

cheers

 

[fforest]

Just rules and laws should be followed....Basicly the 10 commandments.......I don't think wearing a mask was one of the 10 commandments.....

[Mr. Smooth]

Now if we could only get the media to go along with this and stop the hysteria and panic. And maybe quit making the Good Doctor Anthony Fauci, who should have been fired a long time ago, a daily interview for the cable news networks. Some other experts in epidemiology weigh in with a viewpoint on how this virus should be looked at, and in doing so, getting on with our lives.

Fat chance!

 

Why Hospitalizations, Deaths May Be Better Indicators of the COVID-19 Pandemic Than New Cases

 

 

Some experts say deaths and hospitalizations are better benchmarks of the COVID-19 pandemic than new cases. Francine Orr/Los Angeles Times via GettyImages

• Health officials have been reporting lately that the average daily number of new COVID-19 cases is rising in the United States.
• However, some experts say the focus should shift to COVID-19 hospitalizations and deaths as the primary indicators of the pandemic’s status.
• They say this is because almost all new cases among vaccinated people do not develop into serious illnesses, so counting cases has become less important.

As the world gets closer to its third year with the COVID-19 pandemic and the more than 5 million deaths it’s caused, a growing number of experts say the disease is here to stay, and it’s time we start looking at the novel coronavirus in a new light.

Specifically, they say it’s time to measure the pandemic’s impact by shifting how we look at the statistics.

Experts say vaccinated people can still get COVID-19, but their risk of being hospitalized or dying is much lower than an unvaccinated person.

So, instead of looking at the case numbers, experts say it’s time to focus on the severity of the pandemic through the number of hospitalizations and deaths.

“It’s always been the way we should have been looking at it,” Dr. William Schaffner, a professor of infectious diseases at Vanderbilt University in Tennessee, told Healthline. “Hospitalizations and deaths are much better documenters than new cases.”

Schaffner added that testing capacity has been limited throughout the pandemic, which can cause an undercounting of COVID-19 cases. So can false negatives, especially for at-home rapid tests.

 

The argument against case counting

Dr. Monica Gandhi is an infectious disease expert and a professor of medicine at the University of California, San Francisco.

She wrote an op-ed for the San Francisco Chronicle this month saying, among other things, that herd immunity is no longer achievable, and we need to rethink the notion of tracking COVID-19 by new cases.

“It made sense to do it before,” Gandhi told Healthline. “We thought somehow we could break the chain of transmission. But it was so transmissible, you couldn’t break that chain.”

But with more vaccines becoming available as well as new antiviral drugs effective at limiting COVID-19’s severity, Gandhi said case rates are no longer an effective barometer in measuring our pandemic response.

The pandemic is widespread enough that most people will be exposed to the coronavirus at some point, so the sooner we get used to the idea, the sooner we get back to normal, she said.

“The idea was, in general, if cases went up, numbers of people in the hospital went up,” Gandhi said. “Now, it’s not only de-linked, but it’s completely muddled. Cases and hospitalizations are no longer linked.”

Although COVID-19 remains a bigger threat than influenza, both are respiratory infections, Gandhi pointed out.

“We need to get everyone on board,” she said. “We’re never stomping out the flu or any other respiratory virus. We only did that with smallpox, and we wore that on our skin (meaning it was easier to diagnose visually).”

 

 

 

[forcebwithu]

^^^ Agree, reaction to Covid should be based on hospitalization numbers, not number of infected.

Several countries were going down that path, but think they wimped out when the idiots in charge continued to focus on number of new infections.

There's also the problem with countries, like Thailand, that lock people up in a hospital as soon as they test positive, regardless if they're showing any symptoms, or if the symptoms they do show are severe enough to really require the care provided by a hospital.

[fygjam]

33 minutes ago, forcebwithu said:

^^^ Agree, reaction to Covid should be based on hospitalization numbers, not number of infected.

Several countries were going down that path, but think they wimped out when the idiots in charge continued to focus on number of new infections.

There's also the problem with countries, like Thailand, that lock people up in a hospital as soon as they test positive, regardless if they're showing any symptoms, or if the symptoms they do show are severe enough to really require the care provided by a hospital.

We get all that in Australia.

Health is a state responsibility so you have to go through the figures on a state by state basis.

Here's the daily summary for Victoria, currently the most "active" state.

Some of the numbers are from the the first instance so 128,849 is the total number of cases since the first case on 25th January, 2020. On the other hand they had 1,060 new cases since the previous day.

Whoever is interested can drill down. For example hospitalizations in Victoria.

That goes back to the beginning of April, 2020 so one can get the daily changes.

My home state of Western Australia is a bit boring.

And of course the important one, Deaths.

A more than 10% increase in the number of deaths in a single day but we don't really live in fear in Western Australia.

 

[Starshine]

5 hours ago, roobob said:

Just to let you know...the UK is not the only country in the world. Citizens were being refused entry to return to their home countries... it has been discussed on the topic previously. 

Yes I do what I like.... I ride around my local area without a helmet like all the locals.....gee even got a speeding ticket while driving during interprovincial travel last week...... so according to you.... here am I spreading anarchy around the country...lol.

By the way....... here is a what you said in a previous post you made .......

"No, you have to follow the law, what you propose is anarchy, living your lives "how you want". 

So I take it that in your life time you have never broken a law...none...zip..... all your life to date you have lived your life as a Peter Perfect. If you indeed have broken one law.....then according to you.... you are what you have accused  others as being..... nothing but a hypocrite.

cheers

Assumptions, more Assumptions and deflections

[forcebwithu]

1 hour ago, fygjam said:

We get all that in Australia.

Health is a state responsibility so you have to go through the figures on a state by state basis.

Here's the daily summary for Victoria, currently the most "active" state.

Some of the numbers are from the the first instance so 128,849 is the total number of cases since the first case on 25th January, 2020. On the other hand they had 1,060 new cases since the previous day.

Whoever is interested can drill down. For example hospitalizations in Victoria.

That goes back to the beginning of April, 2020 so one can get the daily changes.

My home state of Western Australia is a bit boring.

And of course the important one, Deaths.

A more than 10% increase in the number of deaths in a single day but we don't really live in fear in Western Australia.

IHMO, better than absolute numbers would be tracking the % of hospitalization capacity. Ideally those charged with managing the healthcare system would set a threshold limit that when exceeded other preventative measures come into play; such as travel restrictions, maximum capacity limits, etc. 

[lazarus]

5 hours ago, forcebwithu said:

IHMO, better than absolute numbers would be tracking the % of hospitalization capacity. Ideally those charged with managing the healthcare system would set a threshold limit that when exceeded other preventative measures come into play; such as travel restrictions, maximum capacity limits, etc. 

That makes sense for the public health delivery system. Decisions on staffing and stocking can be informed by this.

For the general public it helps to know the extent of the infection 'going around' to better inform personal decisions regarding behavior. For example if infections are low one can dine inside restaurants and take public transit with minimal worry. If infections are on the rise adjustments can be made, e.g., dining outside or ordering delivery, using private transportation or taxis, avoiding crowds, etc.

The public needs to actively be tested when Covid symptoms are present and infection statistics need to be broadly communicated (especially when on the rise). Infected people need to inform contacts and self quarantine. Well people need to wear masks and social distance.

Global vaccinations and personal responsibility are the way out of this, not draconian government decrees.

Edited December 6, 2021 by lazarus
cleaned it up a bit...

[fforest]

1 hour ago, lazarus said:

That makes sense for the public health delivery system. Decisions on staffing and stocking can be informed by this.

For the general public it helps to know the extent of the infection 'going around' to better inform personal decisions regarding behavior. For example if infections are low one can dine inside restaurants and take public transit with minimal worry. If infections are on the rise adjustments can be made, e.g., dining outside or ordering delivery, using private transportation or taxis, avoiding crowds, etc.

The public needs to actively be tested when Covid symptoms are present and infection statistics need to be broadly communicated (especially when on the rise). Infected people need to inform contacts and self quarantine. Well people need to wear masks and social distance.

Global vaccinations and personal responsibility are the way out of this, not draconian government decrees.

Most people ( except the antivaxers) HAVE complied with most all of it.....And yet the whole covid thing just keeps on rolling....One day the light will come on for you....

[lazarus]

5 hours ago, fforest said:

Most people ( except the antivaxers) HAVE complied with most all of it.....And yet the whole covid thing just keeps on rolling....One day the light will come on for you....

Geez, let's hope so.

Unfortunately, based on what I've read here, your light went out long ago...

Edited December 6, 2021 by lazarus
burp.

[Nightcrawler]

11 minutes ago, fforest said:

Most people ( except the antivaxers) HAVE complied with most all of it.....And yet the whole covid thing just keeps on rolling....One day the light will come on for you....

And it will keep rolling until there is a sustainable way to combat the virus and its variants. 

Doing nothing. Is no longer an option. Until antivaxers can come up with a feasible alternative strategy, then they will continue to be ignored. 

I suppose you could regard their strategy.as being simply to let the virus spread,cancel the vaccine rollouts, forget about face protections and let hospital ICUs  get so full that people will be left to die athome or left outside to die, and which will include a large number of the unvaccinated. 

Antivaxers only add to the problem, not the solution. 

[Krapow]

10 hours ago, Mr. Smooth said:

Now if we could only get the media to go along with this and stop the hysteria and panic. And maybe quit making the Good Doctor Anthony Fauci, who should have been fired a long time ago, a daily interview for the cable news networks. Some other experts in epidemiology weigh in with a viewpoint on how this virus should be looked at, and in doing so, getting on with our lives.

Fat chance!

 

Why Hospitalizations, Deaths May Be Better Indicators of the COVID-19 Pandemic Than New Cases

 

 

Some experts say deaths and hospitalizations are better benchmarks of the COVID-19 pandemic than new cases. Francine Orr/Los Angeles Times via GettyImages

• Health officials have been reporting lately that the average daily number of new COVID-19 cases is rising in the United States.
• However, some experts say the focus should shift to COVID-19 hospitalizations and deaths as the primary indicators of the pandemic’s status.
• They say this is because almost all new cases among vaccinated people do not develop into serious illnesses, so counting cases has become less important.

As the world gets closer to its third year with the COVID-19 pandemic and the more than 5 million deaths it’s caused, a growing number of experts say the disease is here to stay, and it’s time we start looking at the novel coronavirus in a new light.

Specifically, they say it’s time to measure the pandemic’s impact by shifting how we look at the statistics.

Experts say vaccinated people can still get COVID-19, but their risk of being hospitalized or dying is much lower than an unvaccinated person.

So, instead of looking at the case numbers, experts say it’s time to focus on the severity of the pandemic through the number of hospitalizations and deaths.

“It’s always been the way we should have been looking at it,” Dr. William Schaffner, a professor of infectious diseases at Vanderbilt University in Tennessee, told Healthline. “Hospitalizations and deaths are much better documenters than new cases.”

Schaffner added that testing capacity has been limited throughout the pandemic, which can cause an undercounting of COVID-19 cases. So can false negatives, especially for at-home rapid tests.

 

The argument against case counting

Dr. Monica Gandhi is an infectious disease expert and a professor of medicine at the University of California, San Francisco.

She wrote an op-ed for the San Francisco Chronicle this month saying, among other things, that herd immunity is no longer achievable, and we need to rethink the notion of tracking COVID-19 by new cases.

“It made sense to do it before,” Gandhi told Healthline. “We thought somehow we could break the chain of transmission. But it was so transmissible, you couldn’t break that chain.”

But with more vaccines becoming available as well as new antiviral drugs effective at limiting COVID-19’s severity, Gandhi said case rates are no longer an effective barometer in measuring our pandemic response.

The pandemic is widespread enough that most people will be exposed to the coronavirus at some point, so the sooner we get used to the idea, the sooner we get back to normal, she said.

“The idea was, in general, if cases went up, numbers of people in the hospital went up,” Gandhi said. “Now, it’s not only de-linked, but it’s completely muddled. Cases and hospitalizations are no longer linked.”

Although COVID-19 remains a bigger threat than influenza, both are respiratory infections, Gandhi pointed out.

“We need to get everyone on board,” she said. “We’re never stomping out the flu or any other respiratory virus. We only did that with smallpox, and we wore that on our skin (meaning it was easier to diagnose visually).”

 

 

 

Been saying for a good while on here it's not about case numbers now, it's about hospitalizations and deaths.

And hopefully when we move to making it endemic instead of pandemic, live with it with yearly vaccines like flu, then that's when we'll change the way we 'measure' it. 

[Butch]

15 hours ago, roobob said:

Just to let you know...the UK is not the only country in the world. Citizens were being refused entry to return to their home countries... it has been discussed on the topic previously. 

Yes I do what I like.... I ride around my local area without a helmet like all the locals.....gee even got a speeding ticket while driving during interprovincial travel last week...... so according to you.... here am I spreading anarchy around the country...lol.

By the way....... here is a what you said in a previous post you made .......

"No, you have to follow the law, what you propose is anarchy, living your lives "how you want". 

So I take it that in your life time you have never broken a law...none...zip..... all your life to date you have lived your life as a Peter Perfect. If you indeed have broken one law.....then according to you.... you are what you have accused  others as being..... nothing but a hypocrite.

cheers

cite exactly where it says when UK citizens were refused entry to the UK during covid.

They were never refused entry. Everyone was allowed entry under certain conditions. Same applies to Australia. In fact, name and cite one example of a Country refusing entry to it's own citizens during covid. Even under total border closure citizens were allowed re entry. It is international law. One example you will probably google is when some Samoans were refused entry to Samoa as they had illegally transited through Singapore which is , and I quote:

"It is a violation of human rights international law for a country to deny the right of return of their own national. There is a human right to return to your home country and countries cannot deprive you of this right in a way that is arbitrary. That is a principle enshrined in UN human rights, and is a basic international human right as observed through human instruments and the International Covenant of Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR),” said Contesse."

so please give detailed examples of the Countries which refused it's own citizens entry.

Again, you're twisting my words. You can break laws,whimsically as much as you like, but you will be held responsible for breaking those laws. I break the law, but it doesn't make me a hypocrite or an anarchist because a lawbreaker by definition is not an anarchist, whereas you are saying that "we should be able to live our lives as we like" which is a totally different interpretation entirely.

If everyone lived their lives as they like, it would be anarchy, because no one would pay taxes, observe laws and society would break down.

you ignore the helmet law, would you also ignore the law on murder or theft?. surely you'd like to be able to "live your life" as you like and not have to worry about visas etc?. how far would you get with that then?.

Sadly you don't have the capacity to differentiate between your own reasoning and your own basically very poorly written post.

Edited December 6, 2021 by Butch

[Krapow]

Who'd a thought it, the villain of the Brexit threads, Theresa May in talking sense shocker!

TBH it's not the first time she's called out the, shall we say, 'overkill'. 

I certainly agree with her ...

 

THERESA May brutally slapped down Health Secretary Sajid Javid as she tore apart the Government's "start and stop" policy on handling the Omicron variant of coronavirus.

Theresa May insisted the Government must now recognise the UK will need to learn to live with recurring waves of coronavirus rather than "starting and stopping" whenever a new variant emerges. The former Prime Minister hit out at Health Secretary Sajid Javid for the latest travel restrictions announced, which will require all arrivals into the country to take a test ahead of their entry and again on day 2. Ms May said: "The early indications of Omicron are that it is more transmissible but potentially leads to less serious illness than other variants. "I understand that will be the normal progress of a virus. Variants will continue to appear, year after year.

"When is the Government going to accept that learning to live with Covid, which we all have to do, means we most certainly have an annual vaccine?

"And that we cannot respond to new variants by stopping and starting sectors of our economy which leads to businesses going under and jobs being lost?"

[roobob]

7 hours ago, Butch said:

cite exactly where it says when UK citizens were refused entry to the UK during covid.

They were never refused entry. Everyone was allowed entry under certain conditions. Same applies to Australia. In fact, name and cite one example of a Country refusing entry to it's own citizens during covid. Even under total border closure citizens were allowed re entry. It is international law. One example you will probably google is when some Samoans were refused entry to Samoa as they had illegally transited through Singapore which is , and I quote:

"It is a violation of human rights international law for a country to deny the right of return of their own national. There is a human right to return to your home country and countries cannot deprive you of this right in a way that is arbitrary. That is a principle enshrined in UN human rights, and is a basic international human right as observed through human instruments and the International Covenant of Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR),” said Contesse."

so please give detailed examples of the Countries which refused it's own citizens entry.

Again, you're twisting my words. You can break laws,whimsically as much as you like, but you will be held responsible for breaking those laws. I break the law, but it doesn't make me a hypocrite or an anarchist because a lawbreaker by definition is not an anarchist, whereas you are saying that "we should be able to live our lives as we like" which is a totally different interpretation entirely.

If everyone lived their lives as they like, it would be anarchy, because no one would pay taxes, observe laws and society would break down.

you ignore the helmet law, would you also ignore the law on murder or theft?. surely you'd like to be able to "live your life" as you like and not have to worry about visas etc?. how far would you get with that then?.

Sadly you don't have the capacity to differentiate between your own reasoning and your own basically very poorly written post.

You keep going on about the UK as if it is the only country in the world and the only country that has been affected by the virus. People were refused admission to their own country to return. Their country put quota numbers on how many could return. Many were refused entry for over a year. They have indeed taken the decision to the Human Rights Court as been posted on here in this topic. .Instead of continually living in your bubble riding your high horse ..at least try an look outside your bubble and actually see what is going on in other parts of the world. 

Ha ha...looks like you have to add backtracking and word twisting to your repertoire now as well......ha ha. You now say quote "You can break laws,whimsically as much as you like" ....after saying and I repeat for you once again quote " "No, you have to follow the law, what you propose is anarchy, living your lives "how you want".  The only one word twisting is you...have a look...you wrote and posted the words..no one else.

Going by your description you could take it you are referring to some Thais as they have not paid taxes... they daily break laws.... and they have lived their lives like they want. Again...look outside your bubble and see the reality of the world that it is...not how you think it should be in your mind.

Maybe you could see things a little clearer if you stop with the condescending attitude when other people have a different view/opinion to you as you once again show in your last sentence. 

cheers

Edited December 7, 2021 by roobob

[roobob]

On 11/8/2021 at 6:14 PM, fygjam said:

Fuking arsehole antivaxxers.

Nurse who allegedly faked giving teenager COVID vaccine at Perth clinic charged with fraud

WA Police have charged a nurse with fraudulently recording
that a teenager had been given a COVID-19 vaccine
when the jab was allegedly never administered.

Christina Hartmann Benz, 51, was granted bail with strict
conditions in the Perth Magistrates Court today after she
allegedly asked if she could administer the vaccine to
family and friends at a private medical centre in Victoria
Park on the weekend.

The police prosecutor told the court staff said they
noticed up to 25 people come into the clinic specifically
asking for the registered nurse.

The court heard it raised their concerns and the clinic's
owner Sean Stevens indicated he would stay and observe her
administering the vaccine.

When a man and his 15-year-old son allegedly asked for her
specifically at 11:25am on Sunday, the prosecutor said
Ms Benz initially objected to Dr Stevens being present,
but he insisted.

She was allegedly observed filling a syringe with the
vaccine and inserting it into the boy's arm, but not
depressing it.

The clinic said they immediately contacted police after
she allegedly removed the needle and disposed of it with
the vaccine still inside, claiming she had administered it.
 
Police allege she recorded the child had been given the
vaccine and allegedly wrote it had been administered by
a different staff member.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-08/nurse-who-allegedly-faked-covid-vaccines-charged/100602566

 

Dear oh dear..... talk about jumping to conclusions. 

One could say..... Fuking conclusion jumping arsehole vaccinator...lol

cheers

A Perth nurse accused of faking a COVID-19 vaccine jab to a teenager has had her charge dropped.

Charge dropped over 'fake' WA COVID jab (msn.com)

 

[john luke]

Assuming the Australian Judicial System works in a way not dissimilar to the one operated in the UK, I would suggest that care needs to be taken in drawing any conclusion for a case being withdrawn due to evidential difficulties.  

The accused was charged with an offence of fraud; in order to secure a conviction the prosecution must prove, beyond all reasonable doubt each and every element of the offence charged.  If they can not do that in respect of all elements, it is likely that following whatever codes of practice they follow that they would offer no evidence at court and in effect withdraw the charge.

The withdrawal does not mean that the 'act' did not take place or any of the individual acts incorporated in the change were not committed; in very simple terms it means that the prosecution considered it could not prove all elements of the offence to the required criminal standard.  

In order to sustain a charge of fraud it is generally required that the prosecution are able to prove that the accused gained financially from the offence or some other party lost out financially.  It may well be that the prosecution could not prove this/these elements of the charge.

[bob lt]

A nurse in Columbia, South Carolina, is facing up to 35 years after she was indicted on allegations that she filled out fraudulent COVID-19 vaccine cards for those who had not yet received the jab

Nurse faces 35 years in prison for 'filling out fake vaccine cards' (msn.com)