galenkia Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 So the 7 vaunted Nightingale hospitals that were opened to take the mass influx of dying Covid victims have been a resounding success. During the first wave only 2 were used, some were never even opened due to staff shortages. About 200 patients were treated, and considering they cost £220m that's about £1m a patient. Yet more evidence of the mass overreaction by the government and ludicrous amounts of money this mismanagement has wasted. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post coxyhog Posted November 8, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 8, 2020 1 hour ago, galenkia said: So the 7 vaunted Nightingale hospitals that were opened to take the mass influx of dying Covid victims have been a resounding success. During the first wave only 2 were used, some were never even opened due to staff shortages. About 200 patients were treated, and considering they cost £220m that's about £1m a patient. Yet more evidence of the mass overreaction by the government and ludicrous amounts of money this mismanagement has wasted. Isn't hindsight a wonderful thing. 2 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horizondave Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 1 hour ago, coxyhog said: Isn't hindsight a wonderful thing. Yes I have to say I remember the panic from the NHS and the sage boys which led the government to making decisions that, at the time, seemed necessary. Had they not done anything and the NHS fell apart they would have reaped even worse criticism. Better to have the resources in place not being used than no resources available and the NHS falling apart. Everybody has a view but it is only the government that everybody will blame even when they appear to try to do the right thing. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightcrawler Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 I ventured out to the supermarket yesterday in late afternoon. I was pleasantly surprised to set at it was fully stocked, including toilet paper,with no panic buyers flying around the place with full shopping trollies with enough supplies to see the out the end of the world Plenty of vodka on the shelves too for us old folk stuck in doors 😊 The roads have been remarkably quiet here in London, over the last few days. This new lockdown, seems a lot better than the last, although a complete pain in the arse, nonethe less. Hospitals seem to be working more efficiently this time with regards to normal service. I have been running a good friend of mine back and forth to hospital having treatment for blood cancer. Others I know who have needed treatment are receiving it quite promptly. That may or may not be the case all over the UK though. I get the feeling that we have or are becoming numb to the situation now. Some may see that as a good thing whilst clearly others don't. My beef is with Netflix 😊 Having to stay home a lot, I have exhausted their catalogue. I am now contemplating ordering a TV box and then canceling my subscription That or switch to Amazon Prime and then switch back in 2 months But back to lockdown generally, I after this initial 4 week shutdown fails to significantly reduce the number of Covid cases, the what next? An Xmas lockdown? We will have to wait and see. I was stopped by the Police on Friday along the Brighton Road at about 10pm. They asked me where I was going and where had I been? I told them that I had earlier collected my friend from hospital and stayed with him for a few hours and now driving home. They didn't seem to impressed so I handed them my phone and suggested they call my friend to verify my account. At that point they bid me farewell and wished me a safe journey. So this time around, there seems to be more checking up to make sure that people are adhering to lockdown rules, although in truth, there are not nearly enough police to handle that alone. They are stopping vehicles, I suspect, because its easier to enforce the new "on the spot, £200 fines" because your identity can be verified through vehicle registration. Whereas if stopped on the street or in any public place, many could claim to have no ID on them and I can't see them being bundled into the back of a meat wagon and taken to the Police station. Bad news for a lot of businesses though that have had to close though, and many are praying for a December respite which could be their busiest time of the year under normal circumstances. Is the UK doing the right thing? Well that would depend on who you talk to Personally, I think it is, but I cannot help but think that this will go on for longer than a month. This seems to be a common concern. I am supportive of wearing masks, social distancing and hand sanitisation, regardless of the additional measures now in place, as for me, I do find them particularly imposing nor restrict my freedom dramatically. For now we shall just have to wait and see. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
galenkia Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 Better get that Prime subscription @Nightcrawler as we ain't getting our freedom back anytime soon, extending the furlough scheme another 5 months shows that, plus by the time shops and pubs open there won't be any left to open, they need a full December trading to survive. Amazon etc are rubbing their hands, these lockdowns are a license to print money for them, and the government are feeding high streets competition in to their hands. All very well if you want to sit on your arse all day ordering shit online but I don't. At the beginning I trusted the government and experts to know what to do, but they have proved to be useless. All they have done is destroy livelihoods in the name of a virus that 97.7% of us are safe from. And to be a Covid statistic you only have to die WITH Covid, not FROM it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toy Boy Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 14 hours ago, Nightcrawler said: But back to lockdown generally, I after this initial 4 week shutdown fails to significantly reduce the number of Covid cases, the what next? An Xmas lockdown? From what I've read in the papers and seen on TV, there's simply too much resistance to a Christmas lockdown and they'll switch to minimal restrictions for the two-weeks of Christmas and New Year. Boris knows that there's no point in making rules if a majority of people refuse to follow them. The downside is that the social aspect of the holiday period is very likely to give the virus a fresh boost, so a new lockdown of some sort is likely in the New Year. This all seems to be factored into Rishi's furlough scheme extension. The trick for us vulnerable old farts will be to somehow enjoy the social aspects of the season without getting a dose of the wretched virus. It's not a problem for me here in Thailand, but my brother back in the UK is 70 and has diabetes so is in the highly vulnerable category and will need to take extra care. Obviously, he will want to have Christmas lunch with his daughter and her family, including his two granddaughters. No problem there as they're already part of his social bubble and he sees them regularly. The difficulty comes from her husband, who has six brothers, a mother and father, and a stepfather, as well as many nephews and nieces. They're also going to all want to get together for food and drink, but they're not a safe part of my brother's social bubble. He won't see them, but his daughter and her kids will, and given that they'll also be socialising with other members of their extended families I really don't see a safe way of managing the situation for my brother. This is like the old story that everybody in the world is connected to everybody else by just six people (this is what I'm blathering on about if you're not familiar with it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_degrees_of_separation ). As far as I can see, it basically means that you don't have to see many different people to be sure you come in contact with somebody who's infected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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KWA Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 17 hours ago, coxyhog said: Isn't hindsight a wonderful thing. Rather than slate these historical actions despite them turning out to be unnecessary, it would be good if the Government learned from them. Unfortunately that doesn't seem to be the case and they are again using poor information to base their actions on. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Washedup Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 Vaccine for Christmas to be rolled out..Ho Ho Ho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homor Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 Finally light at the end of the tunnel . Thailand might look good for March / April ✈️✈️✈️✈️ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Washedup Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Homor said: Finally light at the end of the tunnel . Thailand might look good for March / April ✈️✈️✈️✈️ With rapid tests being rolled out you'd like to think come next spring we'll be in a better place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightcrawler Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 6 minutes ago, Washedup said: With rapid tests being rolled out you'd like to think come next spring we'll be in a better place We can only hope mate. I will hang on in my basement until that time comes 😕 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fygjam Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 51 minutes ago, Nightcrawler said: We can only hope mate. I will hang on in my basement until that time comes 😕 Careful, you know what happened to the last guy that did that. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Washedup Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 I'll try to remain optimistic, seems to make me feel better 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Washedup Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 Big bojo news conference 5pm give or take half hour..could it be good news on the the horizon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Spice Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 2 hours ago, Washedup said: Vaccine for Christmas to be rolled out..Ho Ho Ho 2 hours ago, Homor said: Finally light at the end of the tunnel . Thailand might look good for March / April ✈️✈️✈️✈️ 2 hours ago, Washedup said: With rapid tests being rolled out you'd like to think come next spring we'll be in a better place Dream, dream, dream ..... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightcrawler Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 1 hour ago, fygjam said: Careful, you know what happened to the last guy that did that. Oh sh+t Wasn't that Josef Fritzl? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Washedup Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 27 minutes ago, Thai Spice said: Dream, dream, dream ..... In the words of the late great George Michael..ya gotta have faith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Washedup Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 (edited) Hearing other companies will be going public with their vaccine results in the coming weeks. Really interested in how the oxford one stacks up.. Edited November 9, 2020 by Washedup Spelling 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunDon Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 6 hours ago, Nightcrawler said: We can only hope mate. I will hang on in my basement until that time comes 😕 Still breeding the butterflies then. 😉 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightcrawler Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 4 hours ago, KhunDon said: Still breeding the butterflies then. 😉 I have taken up sewing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Lemondropkid Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 10 hours ago, Washedup said: Hearing other companies will be going public with their vaccine results in the coming weeks. Really interested in how the oxford one stacks up.. This actually makes it more likely the Oxford vaccine will work, in so far even though it is manufactured differently it's method of attacking the virus is the same. Think this goes for several of candidate vaccines in late stage trials. It makes yesterday's news even better🥳 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 (edited) If a lock down was still in place during December would you still go ahead with a planned family Christmas dinner? Just for the record, I wish I could and I would. Edited November 10, 2020 by Jambo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 I wonder how many countries think they have pre-purchased Phizer's initial batch of the vaccine? ☹️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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